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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 11.Feb.2008 1:50:35 PM   
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No...you had it right the FIRST time...lol...

Now the idiot is testing using my LIVE/ACTIVE e-mail address...then saying it seems to be working...I had to clarify with him that of course my LIVE e-mail works...it is hosted OUTSIDE...

I could probably pick up a book and figure out a config for this thing myself...but no...the company uses this CISCO guy...dumb as a stick...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 11.Feb.2008 2:03:54 PM   
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Take into consideration I know nothing about configuring a CISCO anything...BUT..what would a typical ASA router configuration to ALLOW the desired traffic be? I will copy it over to him to verify syntax if nothing else...

He is new to the ASA...which I guess is a lot different than our old PIX...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 11.Feb.2008 6:20:56 PM   
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If he is new to ASA then tell him to use the web interface. May go against his principles of not doing it command line, but otherwise the box is no better than a Linksys router. As with most firewalls it will be block everything inbound unless set otherwise by default. It could also be the NAT setup is wrong, something like that.

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 11:38:41 AM   
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OK! So...I have reason to believe idiot boy has configured the ASA correctly...no longer a failure there.

I am now getting, immediately after sending, this error:

Server failed with: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for

I know it has to do with configuring the right/permissions to send with SMTP on Exchange, but I have no idea where to look. I will begin digging into the setup and see if I can find it, but if someone knows where to point me to speed along the process I would greatly appreciate it...

I will check back in here later...

Thanks!
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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 12:30:35 PM   
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Doesn't have to mean an error with permissions on SMTP. It could be something else, such as the domain not being listed or enabled in recipient policy.

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 12:49:51 PM   
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OK...just as you finished typing that message I did this:

System Manager:

  Servers>servername>protocols>SMTP>properties>Access>relay>

  Unchecked 'Allow all computers...'
  Clicked 'Users' button
  Added user 'ETester'
  checked 'Allow' on the relay permissions

Suddenly e-mail was able to come in. Have tested with success several times.

NOW...that being figured out...it seems as if the 'Allow all computers...' would cover this and I wouldn't have to manually enter the user to this list...HOWEVER...that being said...is it to do with the actual domain that we use does not match the outside e-mail domain we use so authentication checking is out the window in this case? i.e. the test domain is FWMLIVE.com and the network domain is FFCU. So we authenticate to FFCU locally, but don't authenticate with an FWMLIVE.com anywhere because it is merely an outside e-mail address...to me this makes logical sense, but I could be wrong in my thinking...

It doesn't matter if I have to add them...once they are all in there (only like 150 all said and done) they will just be there...new employees will be added easy enough..

So does that make sense? :)

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 1:16:07 PM   
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You shouldn't need to change the relay settings at all - certainly not add users to that tab. That controls the ability to relay email through the server, not the ability to receive email for user accounts on the server.

Therefore I think you have a setting elsewhere wrong.
Put the settings back as they were, so that it is set to "none but the computers listed below" (With the list blank). If it is set to all but the computers listed below then the machine is an open relay (which is a very bad thing).

On the authentication tab of the SMTP virtual server ensure that anonymous authentication is enabled. If it is not, change it and then choose apply/ok.

The cannot relay message means that Exchange does not recognise the domain of the recipient as a domain it is responsible for or has not been set to allow anonymous connections. It does not mean you need to change the relaying settings.

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 1:19:55 PM   
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That is what I was originally thinking...why would MY server give a relay error with incoming e-mail...HOWEVER...anonymous is checked as you suggested...and then when I made that relay change it worked...

That is when I was thinking it had something to do with the internal messaging once the e-mail got past our ASA...like it was unable to 'deliver' the message due to a relay permission issue...

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 1:32:25 PM   
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Ok...so I have removed the user that I added with relay permission...as well I have verified that the anonymous was checked.

It is still working so I am curious as to it being some level of propogation that was preventing it at the early stage of this last round of tests...

It looks all good...:)

Any hints for migrating accounts from an existing POP3 environment with an outside host to now use our internal exchange server? hehe...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 2:05:12 PM   
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Yeah...so as I thought that process is apparently more difficult than one might think...:)

I have POP3 accounts set up and I want to use the same e-mail addresses, but point my existing accounts on each persons outlook to use the exchange server...

There is no simple way to do this it appears..I thought I could just select an exchange server options under the accounts settings...but I see nothing.

Is there an easy way to convert an existing POP3 account setup on outlook to start using exchange seamlessly?

Am I missing something simple?

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 2:50:25 PM   
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I am now seeing the difference between mail handling appears to be that the POP is stored in the pst file and the exchange SMTP is stored in the mailbox...

We will need to keep everything on the local computers for the existing accounts. Most new accounts will just have access through the internal web interface so those will of course remain within the exchange server as a whole.

My problem seems to be that I need to change the existing POP3 to use the exchange server to grab now...I for some reason don't see how to make that happen. I mean the thought that I have is set up a new account all together...then point that new account to the PST file that exists...set that account as the default....then delete the OLD account that is set up with the POP3...thinking it through seems to work, but doing it is another story altogether...heh...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 4:17:25 PM   
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The method you are trying to follow is not what I would suggest.
If you want to co-exist then you need to create a new Profile in Outlook, using the Mail applet in Control Panel. Then add Exchange as an account to that profile.
Once completed, add the POP3 account as an additional account. Finally import the PST file in to Exchange. The POP3 connection will then store all email that is downloaded in the mailbox on the Exchange server.

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 4:22:48 PM   
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Add a new profile? or a new E-Mail account?

How would I import the PST into exchange?

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 4:29:43 PM   
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ok ok...I forgot there is that 'profile' option when bringing it up with the mail applet in the CP...

I have one set up with the test account...however, when I start outlook it opens in the default profile...so how do I switch between profiles?

I am assuming once that is done I can import the PST via outlook...I know where that is...I was thinking you meant to import into the exchange SERVER mailboxes...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 15.Feb.2008 4:33:25 PM   
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ok...I am figuring it out as fast as I can ask questions..lol...

I found the option to choose profiles...I have the new profile open and I am importing the PST for my main account...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 18.Feb.2008 5:34:20 PM   
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So Chris,  have you solved your problem?  A quick DNS check of your domain shows that you've configured your MX record properly and your mail server is responding on port 25 as of writing this.

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You don't appear to have a web server running on port 80  though.

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 19.Feb.2008 11:51:51 AM   
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No outside webserver on that machine. It is for the intranet only...eventually I will use it for a windows updating server since our other machine is crap...the PDC that is...

All looks good as far as exchange goes...I will be making the plans to migrate OFF the hosting service and IN HOUSE this week...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 19.Feb.2008 3:19:40 PM   
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Is there a way to turn OFF asking for a password EVERY time I bring up outlook when trying to use it with Exchange?

I can't find anything for those configurations on the exchange box...Is there a centralized area for configuration or are they just randomly scattered throughout the management console..heh...:)

Thanks,
Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 19.Feb.2008 4:16:43 PM   
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This is just frickin' great...

How the HELL do I move the install to another partition on the server. I somehow managed to install it on the WRONG partition..

I guess I don't care if the MAIN install is on that partition, but I will NOT be able to store the entire mailbox are on the partition.

I know I saw something in the MC for it to 'move' to a new location...I figure I will have to detach it and move it...

It might just be faster to reinstall the whole damn thing from scratch..haha...probably not...anyway...I need to move the mailbox store to a new location...I will poke around, but if someone can point me in case I can't find it that would be great...

It is one damn thing after another...and working with idiots in my dept. does NOT help the matter one bit...

Chris

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RE: Set up to the outside world... - 19.Feb.2008 4:46:16 PM   
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Moving the mailboxes and the transaction logs is quite easy to do. Follow the KB article:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=821915

For what its worth, I always install Exchange in the default location and then move the databases and transaction logs.

Outlook should not be prompting for a username and password if you are connecting to the same mailbox as the user you are logged in to. Ensure that you don't have Outlook configured to prompt and it is not set to use basic authentication.

Simon.

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